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The SMIDSY

Postby Buffalo » Fri Mar 25, 2011 11:30 11

Saw this on the Maxi-scooter board and though it would be good to post here.

Crash Course - The SMIDSY


I started using the side to side weave he talks about a while back and it does seem to get peoples attention faster than things like flashing the lights up and down.
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Re: The SMIDSY

Postby bigfoot » Fri Mar 25, 2011 16:50 16

This might be a good crash avoidance maneuver.
It certainly won't hurt. :thumbup:

I will usually favor the middle of the road (tire track closest to the centerline) and most importantly, I watch for wheel/tire rotation on the suspect vehicle.
If/when the tire starts rolling, I am covering the brakes, off the accelerator, and prepared to make an emergency maneuver.
Eye contact is for parking lot maneuvers, not high speed street avoidance.
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Re: The SMIDSY

Postby papaburger » Fri Mar 25, 2011 18:15 18

Agree with Bigfoot and watch the things he watches. :thumbup: I also use the weaving manuever to get drivers following to close to back off. Used it on my first ride this year when a Honda civic got too close, the're not used to seeing us this early in the spring.. :)
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Re: The SMIDSY

Postby Daboo » Fri Mar 25, 2011 19:28 19

Even though he makes the comment about the hi-vis jackets blending in, they stand out far better than a black riding outfit on a narrow motorcycle.

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Which shows up better? The rider dressed totally in black...and in front? Or the rider farther away with a hi-vis yellow vest and light coloured helmet?
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He makes a good point that it is our responsibility to do what we can to be seen.

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Re: The SMIDSY

Postby Buffalo » Fri Mar 25, 2011 19:40 19

I think his point was that at a distance the hi vis stuff doesn't really show up any better. It's only when you get up close like in that picture that it makes a difference.
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Re: The SMIDSY

Postby ErikDK » Sat Mar 26, 2011 1:46 01

The windshield effectively covers up the hi-vis vest.
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Re: The SMIDSY

Postby paulcbrowne » Sat Mar 26, 2011 9:36 09

I've used the "wiggle" for years to get cage drivers' attention and it really does work. I discovered this on my own, but glad to see that others confirm this maneuver. It's not one magic bullet. It takes lots of little things to simply up your odds of avoiding a crash. High-Viz gets some %. Extra lights another %. White or silver helmet and other %. I looks at any of these things as additives that up your odds in your favor. BTW, running high beams aren't such a good idea; they make you brighter but throw off a cage driver's ability to judge your distance.

Another trick, since someone mentioned someone following too close is to stand up, yes, stand up. If you've ever done any off-roading, this is natural; but I suggest it with caution if you haven't done it before. I've found that this works every time, and it's great for cooling off on a hot day.
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Re: The SMIDSY

Postby Wes_Ingram » Sat Mar 26, 2011 15:25 15

I just got some Street-Glo decals for my helmet and some for the Burger, I hope it helps. :!: :?:
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Re: The SMIDSY

Postby Daboo » Sat Mar 26, 2011 15:52 15

I went for a ride this past summer with a guy who rode one of the big Kawasaki equivalents to a Gold Wing. From the rear, you could hardly see anything of him because of the top box. But what I could see from any angle was that helmet he had. It is the Scorpion EXO-900 in the hi-vis yellow. That afternoon I dropped my Nolan in some sharp gravel and so went out looking for a new helmet. The visibility of that helmet from far off so impressed me that I knew the new helmet had to be the same colour.

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Re: The SMIDSY

Postby NormanB » Sat Mar 26, 2011 16:03 16

The point he is making is that shapes must be recognisable during the cursory glance a car driver uses before pulling out.
The high vis colour is certainly visible but it breaks up the shape of the human form and depending on the background it is viewed against, can successfully act as camouflage. After all that is the underpinning theory of 'disrupting patterns' that is central to camouflage.
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Re: The SMIDSY

Postby tomfelock » Sat Mar 26, 2011 22:10 22

ONly problem? Police officers thinking that maybe you are DUI. I actually had this happen to me when I had a 49cc scooter. On one lane roads, I would move to the very side of the road to let others with faster vehicles pass me, If they didn't I would move back to the center of the road. Had to take a breath test even! Luckily, i had no alcohol in me ( I very rarely drink and never drink before driving my Burgie) I am considering installing a flag on the rear of my 400, as I have noticed that when I am in my cage, I always notice flags on other bikes.
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Re: The SMIDSY

Postby cactuspwr » Sun Mar 27, 2011 10:43 10

Daboo wrote:Even though he makes the comment about the hi-vis jackets blending in, they stand out far better than a black riding outfit on a narrow motorcycle.


ErikDK wrote:The windshield effectively covers up the hi-vis vest.


I fixed this problem. My jacket is full Hi-Vi (sleeves include) at 98%. You see me far away.



Wes_Ingram wrote:I just got some Street-Glo decals for my helmet and some for the Burger, I hope it helps. :!: :?:


To be effective a reflective band should be at least 2" wide to be visible at 100'. More the bands are wide, the more its visible form a distance.

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Re: The SMIDSY

Postby cactuspwr » Sun Mar 27, 2011 10:52 10


"My wife said: You're a good man but a bad boy too!"

The problem is, I think, my '08 Burgy 650 Exec is not enough "bad a$$" to put the inscription on ! (:
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Re: The SMIDSY

Postby Daboo » Sun Mar 27, 2011 11:29 11

A few years ago, I watched a rider come up from behind me on the freeway who was wearing a hi-vis florescent yellow vest. I saw him way back in the traffic, because he stood out so well. I was getting off the freeway and stuck in a backup so I could watch him as he proceeded on. He finally went out of sight about half a mile ahead as he went around a bend, and till then I could see him clearly.

I've watched on the side roads as drivers will pull up to a stop sign ahead and they look like they are ready to go immediately. The one I have in mind is a woman in a mini-van who was talking on her cell phone. She looked like if she stopped, it would only be for a second at the most. And then I could see her face as she locked on to me, and she stopped and waited. Without the hi-vis vest, I think we would've had one of those situations we all read about where the driver pulled out and the rider had to grab the brakes hard.

I'm only up to my second set of fingers (7 times?) in counting how many times I've had to hit the brakes hard in around 60,000 miles and the last four years. Something is working, and I think a large part of that is making a very concerted effort to be seen.

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Re: The SMIDSY

Postby jenkins » Sun Mar 27, 2011 13:15 13

+10!!

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Re: The SMIDSY

Postby Old-n-slow » Thu Mar 31, 2011 12:48 12

There has been a large amount of research over the years relating to color, movement and human perceptions and that video touches on a couple of points that all two wheel riders should think about relating to being seen. So, a couple of items for thought based on what I remember about this stuff.

1. Light, bright colors are more readily visible than dark colors at the same distance. Additionally, the more of the light, bright color that is presented the further away you will be seen. The optimal solution would seem to be to have a large amount of plastic in a light, bright color and wear clothing and a helmet in the same light, bright color. That would present the largest possible amount of color to anyone looking in your direction.

2. If you are approaching in a straight line someone who is stationary you will seem to be nearly stationary, too. Over time you will appear to get bigger and nearer, but at a glance you will not appear to be moving.

3. Human visual perception is attuned to detecting movement. Without apparent movement everything is background. In order to stand out from the background while riding you must appear to be moving. Approaching in a straight line does not present the appearance of movement, but weaving does and makes you more noticeable against the rest of the background. Weaving also causes your headlights to flicker as you go from side-to-side making you even more obvious.

So, if you have a large amount of a light, bright color about you and weave in your lane you increase your chances of being seen.

Along the same line of thought you might try changing your position within your lane, left, right center, a few times a minute as you go down those straight stretches of road. That can also make you more noticeable to whoever is behind you. You don't want to be rear ended because the cage driver behind you was focused on the next cage in front and not on you.
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Re: The SMIDSY

Postby gvjack » Thu Mar 31, 2011 15:23 15

I went one better than a high visibility jacket. I painted my Burgman a high visibility color. By taking of the panels off myself I got what I consider a very good paint job for $500.00. in all our club photo's there is one scooter that always stands out!
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Re: The SMIDSY

Postby convertfromVespa » Thu Mar 31, 2011 16:24 16

I saw a biker get cut off on the highway yesterday and he did the SMIDSY. My only problem with what he did was that if the driver that cut him off had to stop, he would be in mid turn.

I think the driver did see him but acted selfishly. No matter how much SMIDSY you do, you won't get his acknowledgement that you were there.

I am apparently fairly visible, as people tend to shift out of my lane as I approach them. :)
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Re: The SMIDSY

Postby convertfromVespa » Thu Mar 31, 2011 16:25 16

gvjack wrote:I went one better than a high visibility jacket. I painted my Burgman a high visibility color. By taking of the panels off myself I got what I consider a very good paint job for $500.00. in all our club photo's there is one scooter that always stands out!



That is one "bright" scooter. :thumbup:
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Re: The SMIDSY

Postby greenyaris » Fri Apr 01, 2011 5:52 05

Daboo wrote:I'm only up to my second set of fingers (7 times?) in counting how many times I've had to hit the brakes hard in around 60,000 miles and the last four years. Something is working, and I think a large part of that is making a very concerted effort to be seen.

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Re: The SMIDSY

Postby Scootereno » Fri Apr 01, 2011 18:32 18

+1 on weaving to get noticed. :thumbup: I use it a lot! :wink:
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Re: The SMIDSY

Postby Marv » Sat May 28, 2011 14:35 14

paulcbrowne wrote:I've used the "wiggle" for years to get cage drivers' attention and it really does work. I discovered this on my own, but glad to see that others confirm this maneuver. It's not one magic bullet. It takes lots of little things to simply up your odds of avoiding a crash. High-Viz gets some %. Extra lights another %. White or silver helmet and other %. I looks at any of these things as additives that up your odds in your favor. BTW, running high beams aren't such a good idea; they make you brighter but throw off a cage driver's ability to judge your distance.

Another trick, since someone mentioned someone following too close is to stand up, yes, stand up. If you've ever done any off-roading, this is natural; but I suggest it with caution if you haven't done it before. I've found that this works every time, and it's great for cooling off on a hot day.

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In regards to high visibility how about modulating head lights. In daylight the lights can attract the eye in the same way as wiggleing.

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Re: The SMIDSY

Postby Daboo » Sat May 28, 2011 15:40 15

Another SMIDSY video, well worth watching.

A Day Out In Devon - SMIDSY, a bikers revenge


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Re: The SMIDSY

Postby Daboo » Sat May 28, 2011 15:43 15

Something I've noticed, is the new Olympia GT Air Transitions jacket works for visibility, especially when combined with the Scorpion EXO-900 helmet in "don't hit me" yellow.

At first, I thought it wouldn't be that good. After all, it isn't solid hi-vis yellow. But I think the contrast of hi-vis yellow against the gray and black makes it stand out even better than the yellow vest I used to wear.

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