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Postby billmeek » Mon Aug 06, 2007 8:49 08

OK, I'm not a mechanic nor am I even mechanically inclined. I'm more mechanically reclined (sit back and watch someone else do it). But thanks to Clocklaw and the use of his tools / bike lift, I was able to replace the CVT belt and install the J. Costa variator kit.

First thing to do is remove the left-hand floor mats and then let left-hand leg shield. One you remove that, you'll want to loosen plastic floor pan on the back side so you can get it out of your way to work on the transmission. There's no need to take it off, just put down the sidestand and 'catch' the back of the floorpan on the sidestand sping as can be seen under my head in the next picture.

Next, you remove the CVT air filter by removing the 2 phillips screws and then remove the outer plastic CVT cover. The pic here shows me doing the next step is of removing bolts for the inner (metal) CVT cover:

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Once you have the bolts removed, the metal cover slides straight out off the bike. Fortunately my CVT belt and rollers had already been replaced before and the cover was fairly easy to remove. Some people have had it stick and needed to use a 'fine adjustment tool' (aka rubber mallet) to break loose the seal. The manual said to remove the 2 guide pins on the inner transmission face. I just left them in place.

Here's a couple of pics with the inner CVT cover removed. Notice the heavy bluing on the clutch assembly.

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The next step was to remove the nut off the front pulleys. Since the pulleys will spin freely, you either need to use a tool to hold the CVT face in place or use an impact wrench which worked quite well as can be seen:

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Once the nut is removed, you can slide the non-movable (fixed) face off. Then use the impact wrench again to remove the nut off the clutch cover then slid the cover off. On removing the clutch cover there was a lot of dust in the cover area.

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Slide the clutch off to remove the CVT belt.

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You can then remove the movable face pulley, the part you're replacing with the J. Costa, off the front. Here's a pic with the parts removed:

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And the movable face pulley:

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While not required for the J.Costa install, I bought bearings for the rear wheel thinking they may need replacement considering how much the front where worn. So we drained the oil:

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by removing the drain bolt seen better here:

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Go ahead and remove the fill bolt above to make the oil come out much faster. Notice how dirty the oil is? I wonder if the dealers have even been changing it (as called for) when performing the service? After removing the cover we discovered no discernible wear. If you are going to remove this cover, I suggest also purchasing the rubber gasket as can be seen here along the outer edge:

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...in case you damage it on removal. We cleaned up the puddles of dirty oil:

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....and reassembled.

So back to the install... here's the new Suzuki provided belt:

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When comparing the new CVT belt to the old one, there was a noticeable difference in belt width at the top. I didn't measure the width to see if it was still in spec since I planned on replacing it anyway.

And the unboxing of the J. Costa:

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On some J. Costa installs, you have to use the spacer you already have in the movable face pulley. For the Burgman 400, they provided a new spacer:

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The manual provided is pretty useless and not really required since the install is pretty straight forward.

Removing the cover off the J. Costa you see the weighted 'pins' that it uses rather than rollers:

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Note – the weighted pins are not worn in the pic. That's only paint you see apparently from rubbing against the cover during shipping. No wear was showing.

Here's a pic with a couple of the weighted pins removed:

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Backside of the weighted pins:

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A few shots of the J. Costa (left) and the stock variator:

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One thing to note in the last shot is that the stock variator has splines where the J. Costa does not. What this means is that movable face (variator) is not providing torque to the CVT belt like the stock variator. With the J. Costa, only the fixed face (outside) pulley is providing torque to the belt instead of both sides. I'm wondering if this will cause uneven or premature wear on the belt? I plan on contacting Matt at ScooterTrap and having him contact the manufacturer to see if they have a reason for the design other than being easier to manufacture.

Although not needed for this install, I removed the cover off the back of the stock variator so you could see a side by side shot of the roller setup versus the J. Costa:

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There was a MASSIVE amount of roller dust in the stock CVT and the Malossi rollers were pretty worn in the 16,000 miles since their install.

So I removed 2 of the weighted pins from the J. Costa, put the provided spacer into the unit and installed it in the front of the CVT with the smooth face outward. On the MajestyUSA site, there's been mention of some of the installs being too tight and requiring sanding / filing of the J. Costa to get the stock spacer to fit. No problem with that here since they provided a new spacer and every thing slid on smoothly. Also from MajestyUSA, I learned that removing a couple of pins (evenly spaced) will provide “more performance”. Next place the clutch assembly back on the shaft and put the new belt on before sliding the clutch assembly all the way back.

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Put the clutch cover back and tighten to spec. Again we used the impact wrench set to the correct torque spec.

Since I was putting in a lot of new parts, I also installed a new fixed face along with the belt and J. Costa:

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Place the fixed-face (smooth side in) and begin hand tightening. The new CVT belt was tight enough that you can't easily get the fixed face flat. The trick here is to hand tighten with a socket wrench a few turns and then spin the wheel to allow the CVT belt to ride up the pulleys. Just take your time and proceed slowly making sure you don't pinch the belt between the drive faces. Once you have the fixed drive face flush and as tight as you can get it by hand, then you can use the impact wrench to tighten to spec.

Here's a pic with the J. Costa and new belt:

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The rest is just bolting the covers back in place, putting the CVT filter back on (after cleaning it), and putting the other parts back in place.

Even for a non-wrencher, the install wasn't too tough.... given the right tools.
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Postby clocklaw » Mon Aug 06, 2007 11:04 11

Those photos are FANTASTIC and truly aid in the understanding on the process. :D
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Postby Wes » Mon Aug 06, 2007 11:19 11

Very nice instructions Bill. Sticky it.
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Postby NormanB » Mon Aug 06, 2007 11:39 11

Nice job Bill(and Clocklaw?) :)
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Postby Elliott Larron » Mon Aug 06, 2007 12:48 12

Let us know Bill how it runs..
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Postby billmeek » Mon Aug 06, 2007 12:48 12

Yeah... forgot to give photo credit to Clocklaw for all the images. Review coming within a few days. Want a few more miles on it first.
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Postby scout58 » Tue Aug 07, 2007 15:04 15

I will be checking in to see what you think. The instruction you did was great! Maybe we can have a "Whack Pack" for this.... :wink:
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Postby gpalmer » Tue Aug 07, 2007 15:24 15

Great job. Thank you for taking the extra time to do this.

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Postby SIX-FIDDY » Wed Aug 15, 2007 21:55 21

Wow :!: , Great job. I bet the local Suzuki dealer would have a hard time explaining this process as well as you guys did. I wouldn't be a bit supprised to walk into their repair center and catch them using this forum for there repairs, or , picture them having a service tech training siminar saying, " This is the way it's done on BUSA!" :D
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Postby Timothy Ma » Thu Aug 23, 2007 0:44 00

Finally someone has done it....thanks for the pictures and tips. I was wondering a couple of things. How much did this kit cost? Did you have to lubricate any of the bearings in the clutch assembly? What grease did you use?

I was thinking maybe the design of the weights were for reliability. It seems that with type of design the weights won't wear out as much as the stock design. Again thanks for this. I will refer to it when I perform a belt and roller weight change.
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Postby billmeek » Thu Aug 23, 2007 1:48 01

The J. Costa kit is $280 from ScooterTrap. Although it probably wasn't required, I did add a little grease to the bearings in the clutch since I had it off. Can't tell you what kind of grease ... it was just a can Clocklaw had laying around.

I don't know if the pin weights will be more reliable or not than roller weights but think they might. I am sure it's a much quieter design and even if they need replacing at the same schedule as rollers, I'd prefer the J. Costa.
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Postby asolof » Fri Nov 02, 2007 23:31 23

I installed the J.Costa Variator today. I left all the sliders/rollers in (compared with Bill, who removed 2 for "improved performance". I definitely can feel much improved acceleration from 0 - 60. There isn't much difference in acceleration above 60 compared with stock (at least by feel).

I timed the 0 - 60 mph times with a stopwatch prior to and after the installation.

Stock variator = 10.5 seconds.

J. Costa variator = 8.5 seconds.

When I first hopped on the bike after installing it and started accelerating down the street, my Burgman grin became much wider ...
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Postby clocklaw » Sat Nov 03, 2007 23:01 23

asolof wrote: When I first hopped on the bike after installing it and started accelerating down the street, my Burgman grin became much wider ...


I noticed Bill with the same grin when he came back from his first trip around the block.

Did everything go well with the installation?
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Postby asolof » Sun Nov 04, 2007 17:26 17

Gerald,

The installation went fine. Having made every mistake possible during the CVT belt replacement a while ago, there were no new mistakes available to make ...

I used the electric impact wrench to remove the nuts. I used a straight board to lock the rear wheel for manually torquing the clutch housing nut. I used my pulley gripper tool I made previously for manually torquing the variator nut. I set the torque settings a few foot-pounds above spec just to be sure they stay put.

I think more important than the exact torque setting is that the clutch spring be fully compressed outward (bikes left side) and the variator positioned fully to the rear (bike's right side) to remove all tension on the CVT belt prior to tightening the nuts. Otherwise, the CVT belt wedges itself between the pulleys in the center and you are tightening the nut against the belt instead of the bolt, and you won't like the result :shock: . Don't ask me how I know.
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Postby swordsmanzenn » Mon Nov 19, 2007 16:42 16

wow i am scared to try this myself. with my horrible tool selection and small mechanic knowledge i would fail. i had trouble installing my backrest :( due to tools. ill keep reading and eventually get the courage.
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Postby DeKing » Wed Dec 12, 2007 11:51 11

Thanks for taking the mystery out of the transmission system. My previous experience with snowmobiles and a little Honda scooter left me clueless. I had no idea how this system worked before, but now at the very least, I know the difference between the clutch and the variator and would not be afraid to take on this job....Ken
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Postby Daboo » Wed Dec 12, 2007 14:51 14

billmeek wrote:...Also from MajestyUSA, I learned that removing a couple of pins (evenly spaced) will provide “more performance”.


I am curious to the effect on your gas mileage. The Majesty owners seem to predominately install the J.Costa variator. They also seem to get about 10 mpg less than I get on my AN400K7. Are the two related?

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Postby asolof » Thu Dec 13, 2007 0:43 00

I get about 10 mpg less than I used to. I think part of this is due to the variator, part due to using a medium Clearview screen, and some other factors that I haven't delineated. I believe there are unknown factors because the mileage began decreasing somewhat prior to these changes. This bothers me. On the other hand, the much improved comfort with the windscreen and the impressive improvement in acceleration are not things I'm willing to give up. And even if I did, I bet I could only recover perhaps 5 mpg.
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Postby asolof » Thu Dec 13, 2007 12:37 12

Daboo,

If I had a K7 400, I'd want to be sure the Clutch defect of that model was resolved prior to modifying the transmission system because they might refuse to repair it under warranty if it were modified.
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Re: J.Costa install and CVT belt replacement

Postby jamesjohn » Sat Feb 16, 2008 23:37 23

does anyone know the cost of a replacement stock variator? 2 seconds faster is a rather nice mod for about $280.
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Re: J.Costa install and CVT belt replacement

Postby billmeek » Sun Feb 17, 2008 0:28 00

From memory .... so not exact.
Depends on what you replace. Just the movable pulley is over $50. Add in the rollers and you're well over $100. If you replace all of the parts on the movable side of the pulley like provided by the J. Costa kit, you're looking at around $175. For the extra $100, I went with the J. Costa
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Re: J.Costa install and CVT belt replacement

Postby PastorGumby » Thu Jun 05, 2008 21:44 21

Perfect!
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Re: J.Costa install and CVT belt replacement

Postby Dave.A » Fri Jun 06, 2008 8:10 08

Bill,

You pointed out the excessive bluing on your clutch assembly, and it's certainly noticeable in the photos. Has your scoot ever suffered from the infamous K7 clutch problem or is yours an earlier model?

The reason I ask is that I have a K7 with the issue and am just about to fit the J.Costa, a kevlar belt and a Malossi Maxi-Fly (oh, and a new clutch housing, just to be on the safe side! :wink: ), all from Scootertrap except for the clutch housing.

I've had my issue "fixed" once and it's back again. Yes, I guess I could try the new K8 5-shoe setup, but frankly, twice bitten, twice shy! :x From what I hear, the Malossi is supposed to be "bullet-proof" and the J.Costa should help me extract maximum performance from the tranny. I'm just hoping they're compatible with each other.....
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Re: J.Costa install and CVT belt replacement

Postby DeKing » Fri Jun 06, 2008 12:04 12

dave, They are compatable, in fact a perfect match. I made the change myself and it makes a BIG difference in performance and it's smooooth..Ken
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Re: J.Costa install and CVT belt replacement

Postby Dave.A » Fri Jun 06, 2008 23:29 23

Excellent feedback! Just what I was hoping to hear.

Now, If I can just pick you brains with a few more questions :D

    Does the Maxi-Fly engage at the same revs and/or road-speed or higher?
    Does the J.Costa pull higher revs right across the range, or is that only low-down?
    I've heard the J.Costa drops "highway revs" by "around 1,000rpm" (although I don't know what speed they're referring to!) Is that true? It'd be nice when touring.
    Have you installed all the weights in your J.Costa or left a couple out for "improved performance"? I presume removing weights means that the engine pulls more revs and basically acts as it would in a car that was running a lower "diff-ratio"? I guess it would make the J.Costa change ratio slower due to less weight acting on the pulley?

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