oil filter

[asolof]

I just put a NAPA Gold 1359 oil filter on my 650. I've turned it 1 1/2 times past hand tightness. I think this filter was made for NAPA by WIX. Anyways, with the oil filter wrench I used on my Suzuki OEM filters, it is slipping off if I try to tighten it furthur and it looks like the gasket is fully compressed. Is this normal that different filters require different amounts of turns? Am I ok leaving as it is or should I find another wrench to complete the last 1/2 turn?

[Buffalo]

If you use a filter like the NAPA or Wix filter that have a flat gasket you should only turn them about a quarter turn past where the gasket touches. The Suzuki brand filter has to turn much further because it used a round O-ring style gasket.

I use the Wix filter on my bike and I run it down until the gasket touches then hand tighten it without using a wrench of any kind. With just my hand I can turn it about a 1/4 turn. Be sure to put some oil on the gasket before you tighten it down.

[LeDude]

.... I use the Wix filter on my bike and I run it down until the gasket touches then hand tighten it without using a wrench of any kind. With just my hand I can turn it about a 1/4 turn. Be sure to put some oil on the gasket before you tighten it down.

i am about to order a couple of Wix filters for the 650, good timely advice Buffalo.. thanks...

Hard to beat the price on the Wix vs the Suzuki filters $5.50 vs $13.00 now days, especially now that I have gone back to a 4k miles service interval.

I have small hands and lack the gorilla strength needed at times, so I use these rubber strap wrench to finish tightening / removing the oil filter on other bikes/cars.

-- HF Strap Wrench

[asolof]

Thanks!

Sounds like I overtightened it. I'll leave it alone.

[Buffalo]

You may run into a problem getting it to come loose when you go to take it off. When you do get it off be sure to check that the gasket came off with the filter. When they are over tightened the gasket will sometimes stick to the engine. That will cause you problems when you put on the new filter if you do not remove the gasket.

[asolof]

Ok,

Thanks.

[tbarnhard1]

I've owned my "07 AN650 about 6 months and was going to change the engine oil soon. Dealer wants to much so was going to do it myself. Most of the time when I replace the oil in my car, I always change the filter. However, in the maintenance chart it shows replacing it at 600 and 11,000 miles with oil changes in between. Always seemed strange to me to leave some contaminated oil in the system with a dirty filter. Questions: Where do most owners get their spin-on filter without paying a dealer cost? Do most owners run a synthetic, blend or 10W-40 motor oil? Just curious to know what more of the experience Burgman owners recommend! Terry

[kwalters]

You can search the various threads that have discussed this issue in depth.
For me, I'm using filters like the NAPA available from auto parts stores and use Shell Rotella T synthetic 5-40 oil. Seems to be a popular and cost effective combination.

[onesicktantrum]

I get mine from Auto Zone. Fram PH6018 if I remember correctly. They can pull it up in the their computer. Works like a champ for me.

[wayneman]

I used one of these filters today during my oil change. Only hitch is the tool used to tighten
the suzuki filter does not fit right on the fram filter. I got it to fit enough to turn it about 3/4 of the way.
I believe it is tight enough. So far after running it about 10 min. no leaks. But i will have to keep a eye on it.

I get mine from Auto Zone. Fram PH6018 if I remember correctly. They can pull it up in the their computer. Works like a champ for me.

[ray nielsen]

My owner's manual for my 2011 Burgman 650 says two turns after contact. It also says 14.5 ft.lb. of torque. Mine reached that torque limit at a bit less than 1.5 turns and that's where it stays.

Previous Suzuki product service manuals have specified 9 ft.lb. and that's with the same Suzuki brand filter with an O-Ring gasket. In fact Suzuki has only one part number for spin on oil filters!

Either of these torque values seems plenty tight to me and I've never had any leakage problems. I've used Hi-Flo Filtro filters, also with an O-Ring gasket and tightened them similarly. With a flat gasket I would probably use the minimum of 9 ft./lb., but I haven't tried any with that style of gasket.

Just my two bits worth on the subject.

Ray Nielsen, in Minneapolis,MN, where it's raining right now!

[JohnK]

I have used the Oem, Fram and WIX filters. I prefer the Fram or WIX with the flat washer for two reasons:
1) They both are cheaper then the stealership.
2) They both need less torque to install and remove then the round o-ring type.

I install them about 1/4 turn past snug hand tight and they also remove by hand w/o wrench. I have never had any problems or leaks for either of the 3 filters.

[Corvetteowner]

Has anybody ever bought a Burgman oil filter adapter that allows you to use a more standard filter

http://balestech.com/filter.htm

the adapter is $33

Install instructions are found here
http://balestech.com/instruct.htm

[MJR]

I got a good deal online for the EMGO filters so that's what I've been using on the new bike. The old bike I used to get WIX ones from a local parts house. Whether they are bike or car filters I always hand tighten them till my calibrated arm says its tight. I've never counted turns.

Has anybody ever bought a Burgman oil filter adapter that allows you to use a more standard filter
http://balestech.com/filter.htm
the adapter is $33
Install instructions are found here
http://balestech.com/instruct.htm

Interesting. It doesn't say which Burgman the adapter is for unless they all use the same one.

[ray nielsen]

Since the Burgman 650 uses an external oil cooler line plumbed into the coolant system I doubt you could use this adapter.

They warn of just that in the brochure.

Ray Nielsen, in Minneapolis.

[thecleveman]

I use the bales adaptor. It was a bear to get the old one out (use a pipe wrench, as instructed), but now it works great, and I use much more highly rated filter, high end purolator. They had never made one for the burgman (650) before, but now they have. Excellent to deal with.

[Corvetteowner]

I use the bales adaptor. It was a bear to get the old one out (use a pipe wrench, as instructed), but now it works great, and I use much more highly rated filter, high end purolator. They had never made one for the burgman (650) before, but now they have. Excellent to deal with.

Thats why I'd like to install the adapter... You can use a MUCH higher quality filter.... I'm very afraid that I could strip the receiver part that holds the other end inside the engine block... I would probably buy the reverse threaded locking removal tool because I'm such a chicken...

[Dave_J]

Arnie, I use the Napa 1359 most of the time and the Carquest 51359 at times. Right before you came up here, I had bought two Suzuki filters just incase you needed one and the dealer was closed. I am running one of them right now. On the 1359/51359 I can get 1/4 turn by hand and also remove it by hand.

[thecleveman]

All I can say is, "Go for it..."

The extractor was not available when I put my new adaptor on, it looks like a really neat method.
It was emotional to use the pipewrench and watch it destroy completely the old adaptor! Even though you'll never need the old adaptor again, you've then reached the point of no return...

[rtAnimal]

Upon looking at the oil filter adaptor extractor from the Bales Tech website. It looks like a standard broken bolt extractor. Or possibly a standard broken bolt extractor with it's end cut off so it will fit in the shallow recess of the oil filter adaptor.

It would be a good item to purchase if you don't already have a broken bolt extractor.

Having a access to a better grade and selection of oil filters. This oil filter adapter looks like it would be a very good investment.

Happy Scøøterïng!

rtAnimal

[Corvetteowner]

Since the Suzuki part being removed is reverse threaded, I suspect the removal tool is also... So a standard broken bolt removal tool will not be machined in the correct direction to facilitate oil core removal.... So the one you have in your toolbox will not work for this particular job!!!

[MJR]

Upon looking at the oil filter adaptor extractor from the Bales Tech website. It looks like a standard broken bolt extractor. Or possibly a standard broken bolt extractor with it's end cut off so it will fit in the shallow recess of the oil filter adaptor.

Since the Suzuki part being removed is reverse threaded, I suspect the removal tool is also... So a standard broken bolt removal tool will not be machined in the correct direction to facilitate oil core removal.... So the one you have in your toolbox will not work for this particular job!!!

"You can purchase them at Mcmaster-Carr (item #57195A523)" http://www.mcmaster.com/#catalog/118/2851/=h8vq5o but it says they are for right handed threads.

[johnny ro]

I called dealer for filter and he got wary and said, "its $12 a piece plus tax, before you come here".

Paused and read up here and bought three adaptors - one each for my sv650 and DL650, and then the one for my AN650. Plus the extractor. The extractor does not fit the AN650 fitting. That fitting has larger internal diameter than those on the v-twins. Have not installed any of them yet.

Then I stood there in Wally World, looking for the $2 house brand SuperTech filters said to be the best, where its own site said they would be in stock, but now not sold. The SuperTech brand name seems to be discontinued. I reached down and pick up the same item for $3.50 labeled as Purolator. Wally World merchandisers are busy people.

Open box up and peek inside the oil hole, nice steel internal structure. I don't read about AN650s dying from oil issues so maybe OEM and the cardboard Fram are OK too.

Bought six filters and 3 gallons of Rotella 5-40. Set for 2 years on oil related stuff.

The 1.5mm pitch Purolator is the same one as for Honda Civic. They are everywhere once you make the change.

[rtAnimal]

If it's a reverse thread on the oil filter adapter. I also have some of the hammer in 4 sided broken bolt extractors. I normally use them as they seem to grip better. I guess that would be the only option considering that company doesn't make the extractor for the Burgman 650. I wouldn't want to use a pipe wrench nor vice grips. As both of those would damage the threads on the OEM adapter.

Happy Scøøterïng!

rtAnimal

[MJR]

Maybe something like these?