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View Poll Results: Who Uses lithium ion batterys
TO COLD TO USE TAKES TO LONG TO START 1 20.00%
LIGHTER BIKES MOVES FASTER 1 20.00%
DON'T LAST LONG FAILS FAST!! 1 20.00%
LOVE THEM IF ONLY WORKED IN THE WINTER 2 40.00%
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post #11 of 69 (permalink) Old 02-10-2017, 03:23 PM
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They both failed in far too short of a period (2 years or so), just stopped holding charge,
If you were using an ordinary battery charger, not one made specifically for lithium, you just destroyed 2 batteries.

Lithium requires a charging sequence different than lead-acid. Some batteries now have a built-in charger to be used by folks who do not know the drill.
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If you were using an ordinary battery charger
I wasn't.

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not one made specifically for lithium
I was.

In fact, I was using the $80 (or so) one made and sold by the manufacturer of the the batteries I was using.

Contrary to common belief, I'm not a total moron.
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A.G. none of us here think you are a TOTAL moron, I mean , not having a full deck and all (just kidding)

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A.G. none of us here think you are a TOTAL moron, I mean , not having a full deck and all (just kidding)
Hey, my deck is not only full (of junk) it ALSO has a nice roof on it (:
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Thanks, I,v been using a Regular Charger, Will be sure to get the Other One,,!! From what i read Guys about the Circuit Protection, That if you leave your Lights on, If the Power Drops Below 9 Volts it Suppose to Cut it self OFF!! by Blocking the Terminals, Output!!!

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I looked over the specs for the lithium batteries, & then bought an AGM battery.
By the numbers they last better, & do better in sub 40F weather. Really since I haven't had any major issues with 'em I'm not too concerned.
I do have a Lithium Ion jumpbox. Works great, but I keep it in my laptop bag for the most part so it doesn't spend much time below 40F
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I looked over the specs for the lithium batteries, & then bought an AGM battery.
By the numbers they last better, & do better in sub 40F weather. Really since I haven't had any major issues with 'em I'm not too concerned.
I do have a Lithium Ion jumpbox. Works great, but I keep it in my laptop bag for the most part so it doesn't spend much time below 40F
I have been studying Lithium batteries a lot due to trying to build a EV bike/trike. Without a well designed Battery Maintenance System (BMS) that works with a LI type charger, the batteries will over charge or charge too fast. SO, (copied from another thread) - usually the problem is dendritic chrystals growing and tying up ions and short circuiting tiny areas of a cell.

A good BMS can be real small, like for RC hobby batteries or huge for multy cell battery packs. A Chevy Volt or Nissin Leaf uses huge multy cell packs and 1 BMS.

A BMS will monitor a cell during charging/discharging to make sure they all remain constant. While charging say 100 cell's, 50 will be charging harder than the others so a BMS will shunt (shorted to ground, for milliseconds) those slightly so all charge at the same rate. But during discharge some will also discharge at a different rate and the BMS will float (disconnect) them (for milliseconds) so the whole pack remains constant.

When you just replace a AGM battery with a Lithium battery, the Burgman's charging system does not know or care. It will throw a full charge to the Li battery. If the Li battery does not have a built in BMS.......

But as Tromper said, UP here in the Great NorthWet, we rarely get above 40 Deg's F during Fall/Winter/Spring but can still ride in the cold rain 80% of the year. So I will stick to AGM.

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Dave J: Thank you for the BMS explanation. As for the on-board scooter charging system, I also wondered how that worked.
I been using a Shorai LiFe (not ion) lithium for several years now, so there must be some kind of an internal BMS in the battery, but there was no mention of it when I bought it from Battery Stuff.

So far there have not been any troubles with the battery and I like the instant start-up that no lead-acid can give, no matter how long it has been standing. Lead-acids have to be flash discharged a little before full current is available for starting. Not so with lithium. It seems there is a current surge instantly.

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Yes, Overcharging of lithium ion bateries make it explodes.

But ,lithium ion batteries are lighter in weight and we can use it for long run.
These batteries are cheaper than the other batteries.

Li-ion batteries are used in maximum of the products.they just switch the lead acid batteries.
Li-ion batteries are used from hoverboard to cars.
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Yes, Overcharging of lithium ion bateries make it explodes.

But ,lithium ion batteries are lighter in weight and we can use it for long run.
These batteries are cheaper than the other batteries.

Li-ion batteries are used in maximum of the products.they just switch the lead acid batteries.
Li-ion batteries are used from hoverboard to cars.
And we all know what happens to hoverboards
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