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post #21 of 32 (permalink) Old 08-11-2016, 10:02 AM
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Good thing we ride scooters!

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Substitute "guns" for "motorcycles" and it is equally as ridiculous.

In fact, you can substitute virtually ANYTHING in for "motorcycles" and it is ridiculous. The nature of banning something is ridiculous by nature, excepting cases where an extraordinary case can be made.

Too many times, someone basically makes the case, "I have interest in X, and see no need for X, therefore X should be banned", rather than saying "I don't need X, therefore I will not get X".
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While we're at it, lets ban pedestrians too--no airbags, no hood, no bumpers, no tin roof over their heads--how **!@# vulnerable is it possible in life to get?
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In fact, you can substitute virtually ANYTHING in for "motorcycles" and it is ridiculous.
I tried substituting desk chairs for motorcycles.

The guys at The Rock Store up on Mulholland Hwy. weren't amused, despite the fact that it was thoroughly ridiculous.

(Good MPG though.)

Not all who wander lack GPS.
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In fact, you can substitute virtually ANYTHING in for "motorcycles" and it is ridiculous.
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Click and Clack (Tom and Ray Magliatzi) once said that they should strap the driver right out front of the hood, so he's the first thing to go, rather than having all these airbags and seat belts and such to protect him. Then the "accident" rate would drop precipitously.
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Then the "accident" rate would drop precipitously.
Getting old and young people off the road would have the same effect.


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Some of the things noted by famed motorcycle safety guru David L Hough in his Proficient Mototrcycling series have already been stated earlier by some in this thread. Europe's far lower fatality rate due to: strong DUI enforcement for riders, the public's general familiarity with bikes and general skill level around them, riders' far better attitude toward ATGATT, strong licencing requirements, a general taking of personal responsibility without trying to blame others, the view of driving as a right & not a privilege and so on.
Add to that skewed data by organizations such as the IIHS, the performance gap between autos & bikes being narrowed considerably in the past few years (back in the day you couldn't have pick-up trucks tailgate a bike that accelerated to pull away), and an increasing proliferation of distractions that add to all those that existed in previous years. And now, just as we were making gains on distracted driving along come a new bunch of zombie idiots chasing Pokemon Go....

One more thing. There needs to be a strong inescapable public awareness campaign much like the "just say no to" drunk driving or drugs or domestic violence, etc, of years past, that using a vehicle to threaten or maim is just downright unacceptable & will not be tolerated in the least, just like brandishing a weapon and the BOOK WILL BE THROWN AT YOU if you do it.

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There doesn't need to be anything other than very strong accountability for causing accidents and injuries.

Unfortunately, people don't have the stomach for that.


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, a general taking of personal responsibility without trying to blame others.
This is really all we need, or what we need most. IMHO
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This is really all we need, or what we need most. IMHO
Note: most of what I write here are direct quotes from the book "More Proficient Motorcycling--Mastering the Ride" by David L Hough.
In the book, he made the point of how we here in the US seem to often blame someone else for our accidents. "It wasn't my fault. It happened because the (circle your favorite villain) dealer/manufacturer/salesman/mechanic/tire/lubricant/cow/road crew/licence department/helmet/farmer/stupid driver/loose gravel/other did it to me.
Whereas during his time in Germany, if someone had an accident many times (but not always) they'd say "If I crash and it's my fault, I take responsibility since I should have been observant and adjusted my riding accordingly" or something along those lines. He noted that many European roads don't have signs that warn you of every little hazard possible, as motorists are expected to be mindful of their driving (unless of course there are some unavoidable things that need to be warned of) and adjust accordingly. It's up to you to scrutinize to corner ahead, spot the wandering cow, observe the wet cobblestones, make room for downhill traffic and select the appropriate speed and lean angle to avoid going off the cliff. He notes the UK's national speed limit of 70mph along even a narrow English "A" road inches from a thorny hedgerow.

And then, understanding that there's always the risk of taking a tumble, you'll usually see European riders with racing weight leathers, Schuberth helmets, etc. He notes that by saying that although good gear doesn't make you a better rider, it does say something about your attitude toward the risks. Finally, he concludes by noting things like the left lane (continental Europe) or the right lane (UK) is for passing only. Separation of traffic according to vehicle speed is one excellent way to avoid collisions.
By comparison, here in the US, we have folks cruising in the passing lane, passing willy-nilly on the left or right, changing lanes without looking or signaling, "wolf packs" weaving at warp speed through superslab traffic and drivers making sudden turns at intersections. More than a few good foreign riders have been scrunched here in silly smashos that would never have expected back home.
Now that's not to say they're all wonderful. I guess it depends what country they come from, but let's face it, for as much as I love the land of my birth, drivers here in the USA are terrible.
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