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post #11 of 32 (permalink) Old 06-13-2014, 07:19 PM
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The author is a total idiot who has no idea of how things work. Now I would say that maybe we need more and better training for both riders and car drivers and perhaps some limits on the bikes themselves. Let's face it a 1000cc superbike is a lot of power and speed and many people just can't handle them. Yes riding is more dangerous than driving a car but it is a personal choice. And as already said there are many things far more dangerous than riding.

Europe has far more 2-wheeled vehicles than the US but their fatality rate is lower than here for riders! Why? One reason is that the drivers are more aware of motorcycles and take them into consideration. Most American drivers are oblivious morons who just don't pay attention. Another reason is a graduated system where you have to start on a smaller ride and move up. This prevents the inexperienced 18 year old from riding a 1000cc racer. Gear is another factor, like them or not helmets and other safety gear work!
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>>The cost to us all in terms of increased health-insurance costs — if not direct taxpayer costs — to cover those people injured in and by motorcycle accidents who can’t afford to pay<<

I've heard this lame excuse time after time, and wonder why there's always an assumption that all motorcycle riders are destitute and unable to afford insurance. This is just another example of one segment of society trying to tell the other how to run their lives. Sound familiar?
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I didn't realize in some states you didn't have to have insurance.

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I think they're referring more to "personal" health insurance vs. motor vehicle. So, the implication is that motorcyclists who are maimed then become the burden of "society" as far as medical bills go.
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Given that most MC / auto accidents are almost always caused by autos, his argument becomes... "Well, we mame, injure and kill all these people, so instead of US changing OUR habits, lets make them like us."
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Interesting article - even if it were written a few years ago. I guess that bonehead's idea hasn't gotten much traction.

Statistics by itself is dry information - its the story behind the stats that bring meaning. Like how many fatalities were riders on a 700cc crotch-rocket with less than a year's worth the experience? Statistics alone don't tell the whole story. I've said for years that some way of slowing those crazies down needs to be found. But that alone won't keep riders from killing themselves. Some people shouldn't ride anything with 2 wheels - and some of them shouldn't drive a car.

I'm thinking back to my own experiences when I was young. My avatar is a 69 Kawasaki 500cc H1 - I had the first one in Snohomish County Washington - I had the FASTEST! At the time it was the fastest production bike available according to Kawasaki. And it was fast. I had the optional gearing that took it from 13.2 flat quarter miler to 12.6 - and zero to 60 came in a short 3.9 seconds. I could lift the front tire with ease in any of the first three gears - and fourth with a passenger on board - been there - done that. I think I'm lucky to have outlived my 'need for speed'. I did have a few years of riding experience prior to buying the H1 - the bike I had prior was a Honda CB350. Not slow but nowhere near what the Kawasaki was capable of. Street machines of 500cc today make that Kawasaki look like it has a dead cylinder by comparison. Things happen fast at 100+mph!

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Statistics alone don't tell the whole story. I've said for years that some way of slowing those crazies down needs to be found. But that alone won't keep riders from killing themselves. Some people shouldn't ride anything with 2 wheels - and some of them shouldn't drive a car.
As a practical matter, there is portion of the population that is h.ll bent on the thrill for speed, namely young men. The old timers have been there and, sometimes only by the grace of God, we survived. We know the speed demons exist.

Personally I'd rather them ride MCs and only affect themselves, and perhaps a willing passenger, than equip them only with 4000 lbs vehicle where they can do some real damage to other, innocent people.

I'm not being callous about it, I don't want anyone to get hurt in this sport. But I am a realist. I worked in a hospital for years and have seen the worse of what the organ donors can do to themselves. I wouldn't wish it on others.

To paraphrase an old pilots saying, "There are old riders and there are bold riders, but there are no old, bold riders."

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Interesting article - even if it were written a few years ago. I guess that bonehead's idea hasn't gotten much traction.

Statistics by itself is dry information - its the story behind the stats that bring meaning. Like how many fatalities were riders on a 700cc crotch-rocket with less than a year's worth the experience? Statistics alone don't tell the whole story. I've said for years that some way of slowing those crazies down needs to be found. But that alone won't keep riders from killing themselves. Some people shouldn't ride anything with 2 wheels - and some of them shouldn't drive a car.

I'm thinking back to my own experiences when I was young. My avatar is a 69 Kawasaki 500cc H1 - I had the first one in Snohomish County Washington - I had the FASTEST! At the time it was the fastest production bike available according to Kawasaki. And it was fast. I had the optional gearing that took it from 13.2 flat quarter miler to 12.6 - and zero to 60 came in a short 3.9 seconds. I could lift the front tire with ease in any of the first three gears - and fourth with a passenger on board - been there - done that. I think I'm lucky to have outlived my 'need for speed'. I did have a few years of riding experience prior to buying the H1 - the bike I had prior was a Honda CB350. Not slow but nowhere near what the Kawasaki was capable of. Street machines of 500cc today make that Kawasaki look like it has a dead cylinder by comparison. Things happen fast at 100+mph!

I'm so lucky!


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One of my brothers bought one of those Kawasaki's brand new. He still has it. Took the engine apart while his kids were growing up to keep his oldest son from taking off on it. I keep trying to buy it from him as the bike looks new still and all the engine needs is putting the head back on and cleaning the carbs. He won't sell it to me though. Says he loves me and doesn't want me to splatter myself all over something while riding it. He knows my love of instant speed. That is why I don't own a modern "crotch rocket," I know me well enough that I know my throttle hand would write checks that my skill couldn't cover.

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Anyone close to Moorseville, NC

I am in the market for a newer 650. There is one in Moorseville, NC that I am very interested. I would like to buy it from TX and have it shipped, however, that means I would not get a chance to ride it or talk to the owner. In today's world that may be pretty precarious, thus if a good colleague from the Burg site, who lives close by, could stop over and check the 650 out and the seller, I would be most appreciative. I could then make the deal with much more confidence. It is a long ways from South TX to Mooresville, and back again, shipping is much easier, but risky if the owner is not as indicated. Thanks if you are willing to look, email me for more information- hdcftrv@juno.com
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I like the idea that...it's the quality of life not the quantity. I started riding again after turning 63 and haven't this much fun in a long time.
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