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post #11 of 100 (permalink) Old 08-05-2013, 09:34 AM
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Intrunner40, Just got back from a non stop cross country run of 119 miles. Due to the roads I was travelling on my speed was always in the region of 45 to 55mph. My 2012 400z abs returned a genuine 86mpg! (Uk gallon). Wow! How much cheaper can it get with all that power too! Get one quick...is my advice.
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Very interesting stuff here fellows. I consistently get over 70 mpg on my 08 400. 72 mpg on my last tank, but my girlfriend on her 01 Reflex got 79 mpg on her last tank. We always ride together so our scoots are doing the same thing. The only difference I can see is she is 40 pounds lighter than me. We ride the flat lands of North Florida and she might have a new Forza in her future.

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Thanks QM for setting that straight. I understood it as soon as I seen that diagram. Makes sense.

We kind of did it with the pistons in a Dodge 318 Ci (5.2L) V8 without moving the cylinders. The piston in all pre 2010 Chrysler small V8's had an offset piston pin so the piston had to c0ck sideways on the power stroke. It was done to make the engine quiet by making the pistons skirt tight on the cylinder wall, piston slap. BIG time frictional drag. But installing that same piston 180 degrees on the connecting rod, you picked up about 8 to 10 Lb/Tq in the lower RPM range. The net effect was putting the piston more directly over the rod and crankshaft pin on the power stroke.

On the exhaust stroke the piston may c0ck a bit sideways in the Forza engine but with no load it should be minimal drag.

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this bike was primarily released in Asia, as such comes with no wind protection, you can actually order a higher windscreen but makes little difference, this makes this bike not very usable in cold weather rainy places. it comes with a 62 liters storage though.

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The US spec Forza has a V-Matic transmission.

The 2007 spec from http://world.honda.com/news/2007/207...-ABS-Scooters/ has an S-Matic transmission.

"Evolved Automatic Transmission
In addition to the seven-speed manual mode, the Honda S-Matic automatic transmission installed in the FORZA Z and FORZA Z ABS now features a load sensing control system, a first for motorcycles. In automatic mode, the mechanism automatically determines the load from the vehicle speed, engine rpm and throttle opening, and automatically selects the gear that provides the optimal driving force for conditions such as uphill roads or tandem riding. This new system realizes a powerful riding feel even on hilly, winding roads."

Seems the US is getting a simplified version, or all 2113 (newer) versions are no longer S-Matic?
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I dunno. In the space of 12 months, we've had or will have two new BMW models, a refresh of the Burgman 650 that is generating excitement, the Honda Forza and the Burgman 200. Maybe the big scooter market is finally going to take off.

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When is the 200 due?
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No specific date mentioned, but . . .

from http://blog.motorcycle.com/2013/06/0...carb-approval/

"The California Air Resources Board has issued an executive order for the 2014 Suzuki Burgman 200, opening the way for the scooter to be introduced to the market.
For several years now, Suzuki has offered two main scooter models for the American market, the Burgman 400 and the Burgman 650, with some offshoots such as the Suzuki Burgman 650 Executive. The new CARB executive order suggests Suzuki is ready to introduce a new, smaller model to the family."

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I just saw the Forza in the flesh at a dealer on Long Island NY.

First impressions:

Bike is slick, streamlined, and beautifully put together. It is relatively light and easy to straighten off the side stand. My measure of the lightness is measured against the Burg 650 and 400. The Forza is more compact and much less intimidating than either Burgman. I'm 5' 11" with a 32" inseam and their was plenty of knee room and with my feet in a forward position, my legs were bent but comfortable. The most comfortable postion for me in the showroom was with my heels on the flat portion of the foot rest and my toes canted up resting on the angled portion of the footrest. The screen is small, but a larger one and a top box are listed as accessories on the dealer's computer. The seat is heavily sculpted with a built in backrest which allows limited front to back movement of ones rear end. The whole bike is black and red. Most of the black is an eye pleasing matte black except for the handlebars, mounting hardware, and plastic surrounding the bars which looks tacky. The scoot is so slick and smooth, it might be too much for some. As you can see I am nit-picking here. I think that this bike fills a niche for the smallest scoot useful for mixed urban/highway use.

Oh....Forgot to mention that the brake levers are not adjustable.

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A 279cc engine in a scooter with a 422 pound curb weight ?

I would call that **** for brains on Honda's part .

Right now there are a few places selling 2012 Silverwings for $5,999
I would buy one of those a hundred times of this thing .

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