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post #11 of 43 (permalink) Old 05-15-2016, 08:25 PM
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It seems to me these guys and one other named Dani M are blaming it on the bike being a scooter. What say you all?
I say, they don't at all sound like a couple of physics experts (:
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If his comments about overheating the front brakes are true then maybe he should have been on a Burgman 650 where he could have used the power or manual modes to keep from overheating them.

Don't think it would have helped him a lot though. He appeared to be pushing the bike to hard into the corners trying to keep up with bikes with better horsepower to weight ratios and lean angles. Maxi Scoots like the BMW or Burgman handle well enough that they can surprise a lot of riders. But given riders of equal ability they can't hang with true sport bikes for long.

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I think it's as simple as rider error.

Look at the subtitle thing ("brakes issue"). He just doesn't want to accept responsibility for his own mistake.
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I love Tuna Canyon Rd. it is a oneway technical and dirty road that is very unforgiving, mountain on one side drop off on the other. I have never seen anybody stop for one of the stop signs, there is not cross traffic.

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I question the brake comment (though maybe he thought so) because of ABS but think the TC on the 2016 model would have saved him.

It was an impressive ride, until it wasn't! Couldn't see how much rash or other damage there was to the BMW.
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I have never seen anybody stop for one of the stop signs, there is not cross traffic.
Sounds like a great place for a cop to generate some revenue.


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I question the brake comment (though maybe he thought so) because of ABS but think the TC on the 2016 model would have saved him.
Here's the thing....if your accident would not have happened if you were going 1/2 of the speed you were going when it DID happen, then you you were going too fast - which is rider error.


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Watching the video, there's such a feeling that the driver was completely taken aback by that turn.

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I question the brake comment (though maybe he thought so) because of ABS but think the TC on the 2016 model would have saved him.
ABS can't compensate for brake fade from overheated brake pads. If he was using a style where he was riding fast into the corners and using late hard braking then it is possible he could have suffered from brake fade. Doesn't seem he was riding long enough for that kind of heat to build though. However, we don't know what he had been doing before this run started. He might have started off with brakes that were already hot from other aggressive riding,

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ABS can't compensate for brake fade from overheated brake pads. If he was using a style where he was riding fast into the corners and using late hard braking then it is possible he could have suffered from brake fade. Doesn't seem he was riding long enough for that kind of heat to build though. However, we don't know what he had been doing before this run started. He might have started off with brakes that were already hot from other aggressive riding,
But doesn't that pretty much make the case that if he wanted to avoid crashing, he should have ridden more slowly? That, really, that's pretty much all he had to do? That it isn't a "brake issue" at all, it was a "rider is going too damned fast issue" ?


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