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I have had problems with my 53,000 mile 650 not starting sometimes, especially after I've run it around and then I stop, park, go in store and out in a couple of minutes, it won't start. If I wait 10 minutes or more, it will always start again. It's as if, I've hit the kill switch but I haven't. There is no sound, nothing. My mechanic suggested that I spray the electronic cleaner where the starter button is. If I do that ahead of time, it lasts for several weeks with no problems. If I don't do it every 2-3 weeks, I have problems with it starting. Anybody else had that problem? JC

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corrosion. you may want to start looking on ebay or something for a new assy. i found one for my vstrom for 25 bucks! it was like brand new. its the entire assy that mounts on the handlebar with all wires already attached. you will have to clip it into the connector under the dash though. its kind of hard to reach. u will have to remove alot of plastic i think.

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it can be a number of things...

start by taking the starter assembly apart, cleaning it and putting back together...
how old is the battery?
sometimes it can be a stator/alternator problem, could just be a simple connection issue or worn out contacts.

hopefully it isn't a fuel starving issue, those fuel hoses can sometimes get pinched... check them...

put together a plan of attack and eliminate all possibilities one by one..

check the diagnosis diagrams on my site..: Trouble Shooting Pages

some ideas from just the first page:

- compression too low
- plugs not sparking
- no fuel reaching the intake manifold
- incorrect air fuel/mixture
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I have had problems with my 53,000 mile 650 not starting sometimes, especially after I've run it around and then I stop, park, go in store and out in a couple of minutes, it won't start. If I wait 10 minutes or more, it will always start again. It's as if, I've hit the kill switch but I haven't. There is no sound, nothing. My mechanic suggested that I spray the electronic cleaner where the starter button is. If I do that ahead of time, it lasts for several weeks with no problems. If I don't do it every 2-3 weeks, I have problems with it starting. Anybody else had that problem? JC
Ok, I had a "HOT NO START" problem on my 03. The Starter Clutch would get real hot and lock up. By spraying water on the case it would steam off, as soon as no steam, it would start up. You have to pop the engine cover off and carefully feel the right side case where the starter bolts into. ----IT MAY VERY HOT!!!---- I used a can of "Keyboard Dust-off" upsidedown to spray on the case. DO NOT SPRAY THIS ON YOURSELF as it will cause FROSTBITE!!! It is R-134a and when held upsidedown sprays liquid R-134a. Normaly I had a spritz bottle of 50/50% water/isopropyl alcohol in the trunk to spray on it but ran out. The fix may require pulling the side cover off and replacing the starter clutch. I did not fix mine, just bandaid'ed it.

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My mechanic suggested that I spray the electronic cleaner where the starter button is. If I do that ahead of time, it lasts for several weeks with no problems. If I don't do it every 2-3 weeks, I have problems with it starting. Anybody else had that problem? JC
It appears some of the members didn't read completely through your posting!

It just sounds as if you have a dirty set of contacts in your starter switch button. Remove the screws at the bottom of the switch housing. Now carefully disassemble the components in the starter switch. You can use a pencil eraser to clean off the contacts. If you see any major corrosion you can use crocus cloth to clean them. If there is any major pitting you will probably have to replace the complete assembly as Suzuki doesn't sell parts for their junk plastic switch housings. Also check to make sure the springs inside the housing has good spring tension. I can't remember which switch it was on my scooter as I've cleaned them on both sides. On one I cut down a ink pen spring to replace one that didn't have very good tension on it.

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My mechanic suggested that I spray the electronic cleaner where the starter button is. If I do that ahead of time, it lasts for several weeks with no problems. If I don't do it every 2-3 weeks, I have problems with it starting. Anybody else had that problem? JC
It appears some of the members didn't read completely through your posting! Good Luck Happy Sc°°ter´ng! rt┼n´mal
dirty contacts are usually a hit or miss instance, you don't have to wait 10 minutes or so for the contacts to clear out or clean themselves...

spraying stuff into the electrical cluster assemblies may work short term but will keep adding to the build-up inside the assembly and aggravate the issue further over time.

if you suspect electrical contacts, remove the assembly, open it up, clean it and put it back together.

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My mechanic suggested that I spray the electronic cleaner where the starter button is. If I do that ahead of time, it lasts for several weeks with no problems. If I don't do it every 2-3 weeks, I have problems with it starting. Anybody else had that problem? JC
It appears some of the members didn't read completely through your posting! Good Luck Happy Sc°°ter´ng! rt┼n´mal
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dirty contacts are usually a hit or miss instance, you don't have to wait 10 minutes or so for the contacts to clear out or clean themselves...
spraying stuff into the electrical cluster assemblies may work short term but will keep adding to the build-up inside the assembly and aggravate the issue further over time. if you suspect electrical contacts, remove the assembly, open it up, clean it and put it back together.
I did read it and understood that could be a problem. But like LeDude said it would not be a "Wait 10 mnuits and it will start up" failure. The Starter Clutch will. My guess was it was not the start push button. But by all means, it should be cleaned and relubed as needed.

Jcdorz, when it does this "NO Hot Start", do you hear any noise under the seat, like a click? The starter relay is on the Battery top cover. On mine I could hear the click 7 out of 10 times. I put a VOM on the starters + lead and had 12'ish volts when I pushed the start button, but the starter would not turn untill the starter clutch cooled down, 10 - 15 minuits.

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