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Another oil question :(

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Okay, so I'm at my 4K and want to go full synthetic. I went down to the local Advance Auto Parts Store, picked up a few bottles to find which were NOT "Energy Conserving" and had the proper SF/SG API rating and ...

So, huh, HELP! I don't see ANY synth oils, not even the Mobil 1, that are rated SF/SG. They are mostly rated SM/SL.SJ/ and CF. Tried to make sense of the rating via the internet and found that the SF/SG rating is an obsolete rating and has been superceded, but by what is not clear! SM? Tried calling API and just kept getting answering machines. I think everyone took off for a new holiday or something.

So the question is, is it safe to use the NON-"Energy Conserving" Synth oils like Castrol Syntec and Mobil One that are rated SM/SL/SJ or do I swallow the duck and either go back to dino oil this trip around or wait and order some Amsoil (which would mean the dino oil, as I can't ride until I get the oil... I've already drained the old stuff! ).

Need some serious advice quick.
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So the question is, is it safe to use the NON-"Energy Conserving" Synth oils like Castrol Syntec and Mobil One that are rated SM/SL/SJ
Non- Energy conserving IS what you want.

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Re: Another oil question :(

So, are you saying that it is okay to use the SM/SL/SJ rated oil?
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Re: Another oil question :(

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I have a used oil analysis of Mobil 1 to prove it an acceptable oil.
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Re: Another oil question :(

You want an oil that DOES NOT HAVE any additional 'friction-reducing' additives (ie, "energy conserving", etc).

If you use any oil that is accepted by Suzuki, you will BE FINE. The owner's manual lays it out clearly.

You can use just about any brand of oil, dino or synthetic, in your scoot that meet's Suzuki's requirements. A synthetic oil is made by breaking down crude oil and then reassembling the molecular chains in a controlled environment and in a controlled way the precludes impurities and other 'bad' things that can cause a motor oil to break down during use. Combined with a great filter, you can extend your oil change intervals, or if you use dino oil, you can change it more frequently if you want.

Stuff like Teflon, or Moly, are additives that can damage your clutch or cause slippage (after all, if you reduce friction you will reduce the ability for the clutch plates to 'lock up' at the recommended RPMs to get you going.

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Re: Another oil question :(

Castrol makes a Syntec Full Synthetic that is rated at 5W50 that I've been interested in using, but it only listed as SM/SL/SJ/CF, which had me quite worried. Do you think I'm pushing my luck with a 5w instead of a 10w? In my car, this would be a GODsend at just $7 a qt., as we here in Baltimore, Maryland get extremes of weather from single digits to tripple digits (F), sleet in the summertime, droughts in the winter, and basically, the saying "If you don't like the weather wait five minutes" says it all. A 5w50 oil could easily be used year-round here, if the clutch can handle it.

BTW, I'm using a stock Suzuki Filter, for now. Advance sells a K&N, but for now, I'm more comfortable with the stock until I can research the K&N better.
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Re: Another oil question :(

I still say fully synthetic is a waste in a road going vehicle. Use semi synthetic (but it must be the ester based type) and save your money. If you adhere to recommended inrevals semi will be just as good as fully synthetic.

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Re: Another oil question :(

Dino (As in Dinosaur) = traditional oil - as opposed to all this synth/semi synth marlarkey.

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Norm I should have guessed. Suppose I'm a bit of a dinosaur at 54! (I'm now taking care not to push the Burgman uphill into the garage! This hernia has been a great holiday.) Bill

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Here's an interesting read. It may be worth what you paid for it but Dr. Haas is certainly an educated fellow and wouldn't be publishing BS, I wouldn't think.

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/aehaas/

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