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post #31 of 43 (permalink) Old 03-18-2017, 05:36 PM
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Tire brand can make a big difference to how easy tires mount on a 650. Pirelli Diablos are a hellishly difficult to mount on the rim, but easy to seat the bead. Michelin Pilot Sports are the reverse. The Bridgestones sit somewhere in between on both counts. Call me stubborn, but I always use three Motion Pro tire levers.

Over the years, I've tried windex, wd40, soapy water and ru-glyde. They all work as lube, but the ru-glyde leaves the least residue and no moisture inside to corrode the rim if the paint is dodgy (on my 650, it is). Technique is SO important with Burger tires. The carcasses don't have the same amount of give as motorcycle tires, so if you're not paying attention, it will take hours to finish. Getting the first side of a tire over the rim lip is generally pretty easy. Its the second side that's the hair-pulling swear-a-thon.

When guides tell you to keep the near side of the tire pushed down into the rim while you work, they mean BOTH beads (top/bottom). What tends to happen when you push the top bead down into the rim, the bottom bead slips up to the other lip, unnoticed. It's virtually impossible to stretch the stiffer scooter tire carcass enough when this happens. Motorcycle tires are more forgiving here, which is why I thought I knew what I was doing before I got the Burg.

What I do is use a ratchet strap to squeeze both beads into the rim so I have that tiny bit of leeway to complete the mounting on the opposite side. The same ratchet strap (get the type without the hooks) can be used to hold the tire around the circumference if the air escapes too quickly while you seat the beads with a compressor. Keep it tightened, but not locked and it will loosen as the tire expands. I'm not a mechanic and no expert, so take the advice with a grain of salt. Good luck!

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[QUOTE=Flywheel;1503193]Tire brand can make a big difference to how easy tires mount on a 650. Pirelli Diablos are a hellishly difficult to mount on the rim, but easy to seat the bead. Michelin Pilot Sports are the reverse. The Bridgestones sit somewhere in between on both counts. Call me stubborn, but I always use three Motion Pro tire levers. QUOTE]

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What I do is use a ratchet strap to squeeze both beads into the rim so I have that tiny bit of leeway to complete the mounting on the opposite side. The same ratchet strap (get the type without the hooks) can be used to hold the tire around the circumference if the air escapes too quickly while you seat the beads with a compressor. Keep it tightened, but not locked and it will loosen as the tire expands. I'm not a mechanic and no expert, so take the advice with a grain of salt. Good luck!
I use a woodworking clamp to squeeze both the top and bottom bead together. On a particularly tough tire, I'll add a small block of wood along the bottom bead to make sure it's not getting hung up on the rim. The tire irons I use came with a enduro pack from Pit Posse - it's a cordura pack that holds two tire irons and a spare tube and is designed to be attached to a dirt bike or enduro's front fender. I had this on a DR650, but sold the bike several years ago. It came with the two tire irons in it. No name brand, but just thin. Probably the closest ones are the Motion Pro 11 inch Tire Iron (part #08-0006 on Motion Pro's site).
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[QUOTE=TheReaper;1503249]Which ones ? http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=...&ul_noapp=true


These ones: https://www.motionpro.com/product/08-0007 They are curved to give extra clearance around brake disks and allow you to roll over the rim lip with less scratching.

I also use this to break the bead: https://www.motionpro.com/product/08-0439 It works pretty well (use a deadblow mallet), though three levers will serve the same purpose. Less potential for scratching with the plastic wedge though.

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I use a woodworking clamp to squeeze both the top and bottom bead together. On a particularly tough tire, I'll add a small block of wood along the bottom bead to make sure it's not getting hung up on the rim.
Yes sir, that's what was giving me problems for so long--I THOUGHT I had the bottom bead down in the rim, but didn't. I've also used the bead popper to help wedge the tire in too.

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Just following these comments on tires for 650. The prices you're talkin about are ridicules.
Go to Motorcycle SuperStore and buy both front and rear in Shinko tires for less than $100 delivered.
I've been running these tires on Sport bikes for years and they are hard to beat for wear and handling.
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Well, I finally got some time this afternoon to mount the rear. It was a stiff little son of a gun, but I didn't really have a lot of trouble.

The rear that I took off looked fine. I couldn't see any weather checking at all. But at 11 years old, I wasn't riding on it.

I had planned to do both of them today, but an old friend texted wanting to bring two of his over to mount from his ZRX, and we got to jawboning and lost track of time. I'll probably get the front Sunday. That's the next day I'll get free. I never knew being retired would require so much time.
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Well, I finally got some time this afternoon to mount the rear. It was a stiff little son of a gun, but I didn't really have a lot of trouble.

The rear that I took off looked fine. I couldn't see any weather checking at all. But at 11 years old, I wasn't riding on it.

I had planned to do both of them today, but an old friend texted wanting to bring two of his over to mount from his ZRX, and we got to jawboning and lost track of time. I'll probably get the front Sunday. That's the next day I'll get free. I never knew being retired would require so much time.
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