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WalHell has Castrol 15w-40 for $9.88 a gallon. Wish I could use it in my car. I would buy several!

Now my Burgman 400 wants JASO MA oil.

I ran motorcycle oil in my Shadow 1000 and Concours- both had gearbox and engine oil in the same sump. I get it.

Burgman engine has no transmission gears, just a cam chain. What is the reason it needs MC oil? The high revs?

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I don't think it does need a strict MC oil.?
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Mike, motorcycle engines last longer if you use the right oil. Motorcycle oil has a different make up to car oil, using mostly long string molecular additives. The long string molecular additives enable the oil to make better use of electrostatic cling at high revs. Car oil uses predominantly short string additives and this does not cling very well at high engine revs. Car's don't need it because they don't rev very high compared to our bike engines. So a bike engine using car oil will tend to wear in critical places much faster than if it used motorcycle oil. That's why you have different types of oil for different purposes. The fact that car oil and motorcycle oils can comply with the same standards isn't what it's about. However, folks will tell you a whole lot of misinformation on this subject irrespective of the facts, so look out! I'm not saying anything else about this subject as some folks don't like to hear about how there is a difference between car and motorcycle oils. Anyway, have a good un. Bye for now.
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Use only MC Oil. You have a high reving MC. Use the right oil.

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WalHell has Castrol 15w-40 for $9.88 a gallon. Wish I could use it in my car. I would buy several!

Now my Burgman 400 wants JASO MA oil.

I ran motorcycle oil in my Shadow 1000 and Concours- both had gearbox and engine oil in the same sump. I get it.

Burgman engine has no transmission gears, just a cam chain. What is the reason it needs MC oil? The high revs?

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I am one of the ones that say it does not need a motorcycle oil but does need a JASO-MA oil. Not sure why on a 400. The 400 does not have a wet clutch but the 650 does. The 650 shares its engine oil with the clutch. And IMHO, 8500 RPM is not real high RPM. A Nijna 250 reves to 14,500 RPM.

But please understand, EVERTHING on the WWW is 100% true. NOT!
If someone recommends that you can use 0W20, will they pay for your engine repairs or replacement? NO!
So use what is recommended or accept the responsibilities on your own.

I just know that I have over 65,000 miles on one of my Burgman 650s running Rotella T6 5W40 synth oil (JASO-MA2) and it runs very well.
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Yeah, but how high your average rpms are, Dave? I still am not hundred percent sure if moto oil is only a marketing bubble or there's more to it.

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I don't have a 400, so I don't know. But how often do you expect to change the oil, how much oil does it take to change the oil, and how much do you expect to save by not using what your manual calls for over the life of the bike?

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^ I mean purely in terms of engine lubrication, of course. In the 400 there's separate oil supply for reductor box and engine, not like in most motorcycles where oil has to work in clutch, gear and engine departments simultaneously, so more simple car oil formula might not be a proper fit.

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^ I mean purely in terms of engine lubrication, of course. In the 400 there's separate oil supply for reductor box and engine, not like in most motorcycles where oil has to work in clutch, gear and engine departments simultaneously, so more simple car oil formula might not be a proper fit.
I understand you. And I do believe that in some cases motorcycle oil is labeled for marketing purposes. Amsoil, a few years back, sold their 10w40 HD oil as motorcycle oil, and would readily tell you if you asked. They told me that people wouldn't buy it for their bikes without the label; motorcycle shops wouldn't even stock it without the label. But it met all the specs, and they sold it at the same price, so I saw nothing wrong with that and used it for years. They have since come out with a motorcycle-specific product.

I used plain old Pennzoil for decades before switching to a full synthetic. It met the specs of the manufacturer, and gave me no problems. That was before the evil Energy Conserving spec, though.

FWIW, I do use a motorcycle specific synthetic now in all three bikes, but I really don't believe the word "Motorcycle" on the bottle is as important as the specs. I won't use an oil that doesn't meet the specifications.

The only reason I could see to do so would be to save a few bucks, and when the savings are calculated over the life of the bike it's never seemed like enough to take a chance. Maybe it'll be fine, but .... what if it's not?

Sorry if my other post seemed sarcastic. it was not intended.

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I don't think it does need a strict MC oil.?

I stand corrected. I use Yamalube by the way, simply because my friend is a Yamaha dealer.
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